Steder hvor folk er tatt av politiet

[Tototre]

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@Por mi og @jegern det beste er at du ikke oppgir annet enn personalia til onkel.  De kan ta mobilen din der og da, og henter annet bevis hjemme hos deg og på arb.plassen.  Om du ikke vedtar forelegget.  Men med advokat stiller du uansett mye sterkere.  Ofte henlegger onkel saken raskt da.  Om dere gidder å lese står det en del om disse tingene her https://www.noresk.com/forum/emne/9882-masteroppgaven-til-politimasteren/

les videre i tråden under hvor det er flere som har svart.

[Por mi]

2 minutter siden, jegern skrev:

Annen ting jeg er redd for ved å nekte, er at man blir spanet på/fulgt med på fremover. Nei jeg vil heller betale 25k og bli ferdig med det.

Er vel akkurat det onkel snut spekulerer i , at man bare vil bli ferdig med det...

Selv om de gjerne ikke har en god/sterk nok sak i utgangspunktet..? Syns bare det er interessante problemstillinger å ta opp

[DelToro]

Kan ikke se at politiet skal ha hjemmel til å overta telefonen til escorten. Hun har jo ikke begått noe lovbrudd.

[Tototre]

10 minutter siden, DelToro skrev:

Kan ikke se at politiet skal ha hjemmel til å overta telefonen til escorten. Hun har jo ikke begått noe lovbrudd.

De har ikke hjemmel til det i saker som handler om brudd på sexkjøpsloven.  Men om det er mistanke om menneskehandel, eller mer alvorlig kriminalitet innen narko og annet, med større strafferammer, så får de lov til å overta mobilen av en dommer ved søknad (dette går raskt) og så kan de svare på anrop fra kunder som likevel ville ha bestilt.  De er egentlig ikke provokatører her.

Men når du kommer ut fra en leilighet kan de ta mobilen din, ja.  Du er mistenkt for å ha brutt sexkjøpsloven.  Eskorten du besøkte har ikke gjort noe ulovlig ved å selge sex.  Alle mistenkte kan anholdes og bevis kan sikres.

Endret Mars 3 av Tototre
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[Por mi]

Mye god info  her , takk!  @Tototre

7 minutter siden, Tototre skrev:

@Por mi og @jegern det beste er at du ikke oppgir annet enn personalia til onkel.  De kan ta mobilen din der og da, og henter annet bevis hjemme hos deg og på arb.plassen.  Om du ikke vedtar forelegget.  Men med advokat stiller du uansett mye sterkere.  Ofte henlegger onkel saken raskt da.  Om dere gidder å lese står det en del om disse tingene her https://www.noresk.com/forum/emne/9882-masteroppgaven-til-politimasteren/

les videre i tråden under hvor det er flere som har svart.

 

[shawty lo]

14 minutter siden, jegern skrev:

Annen ting jeg er redd for ved å nekte, er at man blir spanet på/fulgt med på fremover. Nei jeg vil heller betale 25k og bli ferdig med det.

dessevere så tror jeg derfor kanskje en del jentene ikke søker politihjelp etter å bli utsatt for vold, det med å bli fulgt etter av politi

Endret Mars 3 av shawty lo

[Tototre]

1 minutt siden, shawty lo skrev:

dessevere så tror jeg derfor kanskje en del jentene ikke søker politihjelp etter å bli utsatt for vold, det med å bli fulgt etter av politi

Ja, det er riktig.  Og en del av disse jentene blir derfor organisert inn i grupper som kan gi dem hjelp og beskyttelse.  Har sett en horekunde som voldtok en sexarbeider.  Han ble ikke pent behandlet av bakmennene dagen etter.

[jegern]

6 minutter siden, Tototre skrev:

Han ble ikke pent behandlet av bakmennene dagen etter.

Leste i en annen tråd at noen har også kameraer satt opp på soverommet, da går det nok enda kortere tid

[Tototre]

Det andre stedet som jeg har fått tips om som er i onkels søkelys skriver jeg om her https://www.noresk.com/forum/emne/10064-hva-gjør-vi-med-tips-om-steder-som-er-overvåket-av-onkel/

Det er ikke i Oslo.

[shawty lo]

13 minutter siden, jegern skrev:

Leste i en annen tråd at noen har også kameraer satt opp på soverommet, da går det nok enda kortere tid

har besøkt de "noen" det er snakk om,  hvem vet om de her kamera oppe eller ikke. hvor  kilden har kommet fra vet jeg ikke. 

[shawty lo]

og her er det snakk om østeuropisk byrå jenter som deler plass, at det er kamera og bakmenn er bak kamera, om det er livekamera og de følger med, vet ikke.

[jegern]

Så runker de bak kamera når vi kommer

[LaraConti]

17 timer siden, Tototre skrev:

They do not have authority to do so in cases involving violations of the Sex Purchase Act. But if there is suspicion of human trafficking, or more serious crime in the field of drugs and other things, with greater penalties, then they are allowed to take over the mobile phone by a judge upon application (this is quick) and then they can answer calls from customers who nevertheless would have ordered. They are not really provocateurs here.

But when you come out of an apartment they can take your mobile phone, yes.  You are suspected of having broken the law on the purchase of sex. The escort you visited has not done anything illegal by selling sex.  All suspects can be arrested and evidence can be secured.

I can answer about this. Since 2018, I have exclusively worked in countries where it is not legal. The police never come randomly. There are many data that lead to real types of checks. The first thing is the origin of the contacts; many girls exchange the same contacts or apartments, and this leads to much more scrutiny because it is considered aiding each other (if not for material purposes) or even worse, exploitation (if there are material gains involved). When you organize this work with more than three people, it becomes a criminal group. It's up to you to decide where you go and what risks you take. It's normal that the first to be checked are the agencies, various forms of recruitment from so-called phone managers or Eastern Europe. Another aspect is age; what does a 20-year-old girl do with an advertisement? Obviously, she didn't arrive alone! What does a girl do with an extremely low price? Did she decide that, or did someone do it for her? What about 15 profiles with the same style of photos? Is there someone organizing their arrival in advance and preparing their photos with the profiles in advance?

So it's normal for the police to check, otherwise, it's a moment when everything becomes racketeering and exploitation. They can recognize from afar an independent profile from a suspicious one. Since 2018, I have seen many girls taken, and I have never had a check, not because they don't see me, but simply because it's clear from a distance that I have a mature profile, that I spend money on expensive lingerie and locations, and it's very clear that there is no one behind me except my desire to do this with full maturity and awareness. Do I know clients who have been caught by the police? Of course, I have seen many arrests and many things. Even in the most closely monitored periods, I have never had any problems. Refusing to give your phone if you are caught? Just one more problem (they can easily detect all the data and routes and exchanges of messages)! I absolutely do not recommend not cooperating with the police, do not put  resistence (I know well how a client of mine ended up in a huge trial), simply use common sense in your choices and of course avoid any conflict.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Revenger]

42 minutter siden, LaraConti skrev:

I can answer about this. Since 2018, I have exclusively worked in countries where it is not legal. The police never come randomly. There are many data that lead to real types of checks. The first thing is the origin of the contacts; many girls exchange the same contacts or apartments, and this leads to much more scrutiny because it is considered aiding each other (if not for material purposes) or even worse, exploitation (if there are material gains involved). When you organize this work with more than three people, it becomes a criminal group. It's up to you to decide where you go and what risks you take. It's normal that the first to be checked are the agencies, various forms of recruitment from so-called phone managers or Eastern Europe. Another aspect is age; what does a 20-year-old girl do with an advertisement? Obviously, she didn't arrive alone! What does a girl do with an extremely low price? Did she decide that, or did someone do it for her? What about 15 profiles with the same style of photos? Is there someone organizing their arrival in advance and preparing their photos with the profiles in advance?

So it's normal for the police to check, otherwise, it's a moment when everything becomes racketeering and exploitation. They can recognize from afar an independent profile from a suspicious one. Since 2018, I have seen many girls taken, and I have never had a check, not because they don't see me, but simply because it's clear from a distance that I have a mature profile, that I spend money on expensive lingerie and locations, and it's very clear that there is no one behind me except my desire to do this with full maturity and awareness. Do I know clients who have been caught by the police? Of course, I have seen many arrests and many things. Even in the most closely monitored periods, I have never had any problems. Refusing to give your phone if you are caught? Just one more problem (they can easily detect all the data and routes and exchanges of messages)! I absolutely do not recommend not cooperating with the police, do not put  resistence (I know well how a client of mine ended up in a huge trial), simply use common sense in your choices and of course avoid any conflict.

 

 

 

 

 

 

So many words!!  I am the king of brevity, you the queen of verbosity!

[LaraConti]

4 minutter siden, Revenger skrev:

So many words!! I am the king of brevity, you the queen of verbosity!

Look, I've almost "given birth" to this post, I try to at least appear serious at the beginning, don't distract me.😝

[Revenger]

Distraction is my name😔

[Gjest]

1 time siden, LaraConti skrev:

I can answer about this. Since 2018, I have exclusively worked in countries where it is not legal. The police never come randomly. There are many data that lead to real types of checks. The first thing is the origin of the contacts; many girls exchange the same contacts or apartments, and this leads to much more scrutiny because it is considered aiding each other (if not for material purposes) or even worse, exploitation (if there are material gains involved). When you organize this work with more than three people, it becomes a criminal group. It's up to you to decide where you go and what risks you take. It's normal that the first to be checked are the agencies, various forms of recruitment from so-called phone managers or Eastern Europe. Another aspect is age; what does a 20-year-old girl do with an advertisement? Obviously, she didn't arrive alone! What does a girl do with an extremely low price? Did she decide that, or did someone do it for her? What about 15 profiles with the same style of photos? Is there someone organizing their arrival in advance and preparing their photos with the profiles in advance?

So it's normal for the police to check, otherwise, it's a moment when everything becomes racketeering and exploitation. They can recognize from afar an independent profile from a suspicious one. Since 2018, I have seen many girls taken, and I have never had a check, not because they don't see me, but simply because it's clear from a distance that I have a mature profile, that I spend money on expensive lingerie and locations, and it's very clear that there is no one behind me except my desire to do this with full maturity and awareness. Do I know clients who have been caught by the police? Of course, I have seen many arrests and many things. Even in the most closely monitored periods, I have never had any problems. Refusing to give your phone if you are caught? Just one more problem (they can easily detect all the data and routes and exchanges of messages)! I absolutely do not recommend not cooperating with the police, do not put  resistence (I know well how a client of mine ended up in a huge trial), simply use common sense in your choices and of course avoid any conflict.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Someone that could explain and have more experience than me(I only worked in Norway)

She is absolutely right @Revenger @Tototre and the rest.The police will go for the profiles that are suspicious,as she point out.No girl under 25 year old travels alone to Norway to sell sex by her own.Is always someone behind,that funds the plane ticket,place to stay,has a operator to take the phone calls.And they rely to a guy to protect them against “bad clients “ so they say.
That takes common sense.Do you guys really belive that a 20 years old girl is looking forward to have wild sex with a 60 year old guy?Do you think that a 19 year old really want to do a deep throat’s for 500 extra?They are forced,or at the best,they need the money to support they family back home(their own families sell them,like the romenian culture)

So of course ,the police will watch you around thoses places,but it does not mean that the target is the client,but if the catch the client leaving the 19 old girl apartment,they “reprime” the criminals.

Romenians gypsy mafia are huge in Oslo/Drammen and they rent a airbn each week and the girls only does outcalls.

Exemples of pimped girls

https://www.realescort.eu/ads/173239/jenifer-owo

https://www.realescort.eu/ads/169315/nelly19

https://www.realescort.eu/ads/171421/sarah-party

https://www.realescort.eu/ads/171035/maria

https://www.realescort.eu/ads/172553/jasmyne

And as @LaraConti said,if you get caught,cooperate.They will press you to get information about the girl and the system she is operating,they do not give a shit about your sexual adventures.If you cooperate and give all details the police need to catch the criminals,you will get a witness status and if the information is relevant,they drop the charges.

Lie to police does not protect you,it make you accomplice to the halliks.

🙂

[Revenger]

 

For customers, or alleged customers: keep quiet, pay when you get the fine and learn from the experience.

[Tototre]

OK, her ble det mye fra jentene våre.  Det er to ting vi snakker om her:

1. Jeg som mulig horekunde besøker en sexarbeider og blir tatt etter det mulige kjøpet.
2. Jeg som mulig horekunde besøker en sexarbeider som er involvert frivillig eller ufrivillig i annen kriminell virksomhet, og kommer i kontakt med onkel etter et mulig kjøp av sex hos henne.

Nummer 1 er noe helt annet, og langt mindre alvorlig enn nummer 2.  Her blir du aldri noe vitne i noen sak, men du er den som er mistenkt for et lovbrudd.  Dette trenger du ikke å innrømme før du har engasjert advokat.  Personalia er alt du må oppgi.  Eskorten kan si akkurat hva hun vil.  Noen eskorter forteller sannheten, at du har kjøpt sex av henne.  Det koster henne ikke noe.  Du skal ikke innrømme noe som helst, og heller ikke fortelle noe før du har snakket med en advokat.  Ja, da risikerer du at politiet starter en etterforskning mot deg, men det krever politiressurser.  Noe de har lite av.  Har du en god advokat, krever det store politiressurser.

Nummer 2 er den skumle.  Her kan du oxo bli anmeldt for brudd på sexkjøpsloven.  Om du blir siktet skal du ikke si noe om den saken (lovbruddet) du er blitt siktet for.  Ingen skal snakke seg selv inn i en dom!  Det er politiets jobb å bevise lovbrudd i en rettssak.  Igjen er en dyktig advokat alfa og omega.  De har gjort dette før og politiet frykter dem.  Det blir mye ekstra jobb for etaten, og det blir ikke prioritert.  Prøver du å forsvare deg selv er du dømt til å mislykkes.  Les avisartiklene i starten av tråden.  Advokatene får sakene til å bli henlagt.

Her kan du bli stevnet som vitne.  Men det e først i en rettssak at du skal snakke sant.  Fram til du har diskutert med en advokat så husker du ikke hva du gjorde for 10 sekunder siden.  Advokaten vet hva du må si, og hva du bør si.  Du vet det ikke, og våre aktive jenter er heller ikke i den situasjonen at de vet det. 

 

[Tototre]

10 minutter siden, Revenger skrev:

For customers, or alleged customers: keep quiet, pay when you get the fine and learn from the experience.

Yeah, that is the easy solution.  However, there may be a better way if you have the guts to hire a lawyer.

[Por mi]

Aldri innrøm noe som helst de må ikke få fakka oss så lett. Er jo DERES Oppgave å gjøre etterforskning og framlegge nok beviser. Vi gjør jobben for enkel om vi bare innrømmer alt. Hadde faen nekta helt til jeg skulle i grava 🤣

[Revenger]

223, tipper du må skrive noe om vern mot selvinkriminering - det gidder ikke jeg.

Endret Mars 4 av Revenger

[Tototre]

19 minutter siden, Revenger skrev:

223, tipper du må skrive noe om vern mot selvinkriminering - det gidder ikke jeg.

Ja, jeg hadde ordet på tunga.  Tipper det er et fremmedord for Lara og Zezeh.  Tar det med i Håndbok for horekunder når vi kommer til det der.

Ser ikke bort fra at vi oxo må lage et stikkordregister slik at studenter og andre raskere skal finne det de leter etter.  Ja, der har du meg, gammeldags.  De søker vel bare i dag?  Men likevel, de vet jo ikke hvilke ord de skal søke på siden de kan så få ord.  Stikkordregister med liten forklaring er tingen!

Endret Mars 4 av Tototre

[LaraConti]

14 timer siden, Zezeh skrev:

Someone that could explain and have more experience than me(I only worked in Norway)

She is absolutely right @Revenger @Tototre and the rest.The police will go for the profiles that are suspicious,as she point out.No girl under 25 year old travels alone to Norway to sell sex by her own.Is always someone behind,that funds the plane ticket,place to stay,has a operator to take the phone calls.And they rely to a guy to protect them against “bad clients “ so they say.
That takes common sense.Do you guys really belive that a 20 years old girl is looking forward to have wild sex with a 60 year old guy?Do you think that a 19 year old really want to do a deep throat’s for 500 extra?They are forced,or at the best,they need the money to support they family back home(their own families sell them,like the romenian culture)

So of course ,the police will watch you around thoses places,but it does not mean that the target is the client,but if the catch the client leaving the 19 old girl apartment,they “reprime” the criminals.

Romenians gypsy mafia are huge in Oslo/Drammen and they rent a airbn each week and the girls only does outcalls.

Exemples of pimped girls

https://www.realescort.eu/

14 timer siden, Zezeh skrev:

Someone that could explain and have more experience than me(I only worked in Norway)

She is absolutely right @Revenger @Tototre and the rest.The police will go for the profiles that are suspicious,as she point out.No girl under 25 year old travels alone to Norway to sell sex by her own.Is always someone behind,that funds the plane ticket,place to stay,has a operator to take the phone calls.And they rely to a guy to protect them against “bad clients “ so they say.
That takes common sense.Do you guys really belive that a 20 years old girl is looking forward to have wild sex with a 60 year old guy?Do you think that a 19 year old really want to do a deep throat’s for 500 extra?They are forced,or at the best,they need the money to support they family back home(their own families sell them,like the romenian culture)

So of course ,the police will watch you around thoses places,but it does not mean that the target is the client,but if the catch the client leaving the 19 old girl apartment,they “reprime” the criminals.

Romenians gypsy mafia are huge in Oslo/Drammen and they rent a airbn each week and the girls only does outcalls.

Exemples of pimped girls

https://www.realescort.eu/ads/173239/jenifer-owo

https://www.realescort.eu/ads/169315/nelly19

https://www.realescort.eu/ads/171421/sarah-party

https://www.realescort.eu/ads/171035/maria

https://www.realescort.eu/ads/172553/jasmyne

And as @LaraConti said,if you get caught,cooperate.They will press you to get information about the girl and the system she is operating,they do not give a shit about your sexual adventures.If you cooperate and give all details the police need to catch the criminals,you will get a witness status and if the information is relevant,they drop the charges.

Lie to police does not protect you,it make you accomplice to the halliks.

🙂

ads/173239/jenifer-owo

https://www.realescort.eu/ads/169315/nelly19

https://www.realescort.eu/ads/171421/sarah-party

https://www.realescort.eu/ads/171035/maria

https://www.realescort.eu/ads/172553/jasmyne

And as @LaraConti said,if you get caught,cooperate.They will press you to get information about the girl and the system she is operating,they do not give a shit about your sexual adventures.If you cooperate and give all details the police need to catch the criminals,you will get a witness status and if the information is relevant,they drop the charges.

Lie to police does not protect you,it make you accomplice to the halliks.

🙂

Well done, well done, well done!! You've hit every one of my thoughts perfectly, excellent example of profiles, exactly what I wanted to say.

[LaraConti]

14 timer siden, Tototre skrev:

OK, here was a lot from our girls. There are two things we are talking about here:

1. I, as a possible prostitute, visit a sex worker and am caught after the possible purchase.
2. As a potential client of prostitution, I visit a sex worker who is involved voluntarily or involuntarily in other criminal activity, and come into contact with my uncle after a possible purchase of sex from her.

Number 1 is something completely different, and far less serious than number 2. Here you never become a witness in any case, but you are the one who is suspected of an offence. You do not have to admit this until you have engaged a lawyer. Personal information is all you have to enter. The escort can say exactly what she wants. Some escorts tell the truth, that you have bought sex from her. It costs her nothing. You must not admit anything, nor tell anything until you have spoken to a lawyer. Yes, then you risk the police starting an investigation against you, but that requires police resources. Something they have little of. If you have a good lawyer, it requires large police resources.

Number 2 is the scary one. Here, oxo can be reported for violating the Sex Purchase Act. If you are charged, you must not say anything about the case (offense) you have been charged with. No one should talk themselves into a judgment! It is the police's job to prove an offense in a court case. Again, a skilled lawyer is the alpha and omega. They have done this before and the police fear them. It will be a lot of extra work for the agency, and it will not be prioritized. If you try to defend yourself, you are doomed to fail. Read the newspaper articles at the start of the thread. The lawyers have the cases dropped.

Here you can be subpoenaed as a witness. But it is only in a court case that you must speak the truth. Until you have discussed it with a lawyer, you don't remember what you did 10 seconds ago. The lawyer knows what you have to say, and what you should say. You don't know that, and our active girls aren't in a position to know that either. 

 

I'll give you a couple of examples of how the lawyer's strategy can only make things worse to the point where you need lawyers for years:

Example 1: A girl who doesn't want to give her phone. Instead of immediately understanding control issues, she is portrayed as a victim of trafficking and pimping because they incriminate the owner who rented (implying that he knew what was happening inside his apartment). At this point, the phone is automatically seized because she is a victim, and appointments serve as evidence that the owner "exploited" earnings from this work.

Example 2: The girl has a friend involved in something, and immediately they "fabricate" an association and criminal activity (because you need 3 people for this) with the aim of exploitation and facilitating prostitution (we're already talking about a lengthy legal process and strong penalties).

I could go on with many examples.

Client: I won't give my phone. Well, your phone is not seized "as a client" anymore; it's now seized because you're part of a criminal investigation. Your position is no longer just a paying client; it's much worse! Not to mention if you seriously start denying when they may have been monitoring an organization for 2-3 years (there are times when to catch significant pimps in their countries, they've had to monitor girls for 2-3 years and let them work just to gather evidence in trials with 70-80 arrests. If you want, I can make a post to explain exactly how these investigations are conducted). When I say cooperate with the police, I know what I'm talking about. You hire a lawyer for one thing and end up needing a lawyer for 5 things! Just admit the mistake and pay.